westaust55
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Thanks for the feedback.
I seemingly might have the menu icons a bit too close together.
Will look into that problem.
PEBBLE - Picaxe Electronic Bread Board Layout Emulator
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I seemingly might have the menu icons a bit too close together.
Will look into that problem.
westaust55
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PEBBLE - V1.2 fix
Okay here is a fix for V1.2 to correct the case of the terminal block being picked up when trying to select the black wire from the menu. Just change the extension of this file from .dsn to .html.
This file has V1.2a so just remove the original V1.2 html file. All it does is correct the selection area for the terminals which was bigger than the image.
For the next release, I might do some rework on the terminal strip images as I have found I do not need a transparent area above them to be able to place the associated text above the image – but it does require more coding in the javascript files.
Okay here is a fix for V1.2 to correct the case of the terminal block being picked up when trying to select the black wire from the menu. Just change the extension of this file from .dsn to .html.
This file has V1.2a so just remove the original V1.2 html file. All it does is correct the selection area for the terminals which was bigger than the image.
For the next release, I might do some rework on the terminal strip images as I have found I do not need a transparent area above them to be able to place the associated text above the image – but it does require more coding in the javascript files.
PEBBLE "lite" trial hosting site
As a hosting trial, & recognizing that not every one has incentive for a full download & local offline hosting, I've uploaded a "lite" PEBBLE Ver 1 to => www.picaxe.orcon.net.nz/pebble
Just the popular 23 row BB is offered, & selecting a spun 08M will show inverted maker ID- just like the real thing. 5 hole clusters are shown grouped for clarity, as also are the 3 traditional connection points used when 08M programming. Given the W I D E aspect ratio of many modern PC screens, that RHS parking area may well be more useful than below too. In deference to Dr_A (who discovered the Virtual Bread Board originally) it's now a "ye olde faithful faded cream/ Aussie outback" hue too.WestAust55 & I have been email discussing subtle clarity aspects for PEBBLE schools users by the way- the upload here gives them a bit of an airing.
Give it a whirl, and let the forum/Westy/myself know how the online approach strikes you. Stan
As a hosting trial, & recognizing that not every one has incentive for a full download & local offline hosting, I've uploaded a "lite" PEBBLE Ver 1 to => www.picaxe.orcon.net.nz/pebble
Just the popular 23 row BB is offered, & selecting a spun 08M will show inverted maker ID- just like the real thing. 5 hole clusters are shown grouped for clarity, as also are the 3 traditional connection points used when 08M programming. Given the W I D E aspect ratio of many modern PC screens, that RHS parking area may well be more useful than below too. In deference to Dr_A (who discovered the Virtual Bread Board originally) it's now a "ye olde faithful faded cream/ Aussie outback" hue too.WestAust55 & I have been email discussing subtle clarity aspects for PEBBLE schools users by the way- the upload here gives them a bit of an airing.
Give it a whirl, and let the forum/Westy/myself know how the online approach strikes you. Stan
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SilentScreamer
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The DIL socket's rotation images don't work. I had the same problem when I uploaded to somewhere but I guessed it was a problem with my host and removed it again.
SilentScreamer
Senior Member
More testing done:
The image does not appear in Google chrome, Safari, IE7, IE8 or Firefox 3.0.11.
The entire right click menu doesn't appear in Opera.
EDIT: Manuka, rename all the images to have lower case file extensions. I can see 6 that don't in your images folder, everyone of which doesn't work.
The image does not appear in Google chrome, Safari, IE7, IE8 or Firefox 3.0.11.
The entire right click menu doesn't appear in Opera.
EDIT: Manuka, rename all the images to have lower case file extensions. I can see 6 that don't in your images folder, everyone of which doesn't work.
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Great-thanks & done! It's stressed that this "lite" offering trial is intended to let folks get an on line feel for PEBBLE. For those who've arrived late, I too have drawn upon Ray's original "Virtual Bread Board" work at => http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/ElectronicTools/virtualbreadboard/index.html
WestAust55's most recent full PEBBLE offering (Ver 1.2 - Jun 15th) is attached to posting 97 on P.10 of this thread => http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=12629&page=10 This suits offline use after download- just run it via your normal web browser. Stan
WestAust55's most recent full PEBBLE offering (Ver 1.2 - Jun 15th) is attached to posting 97 on P.10 of this thread => http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=12629&page=10 This suits offline use after download- just run it via your normal web browser. Stan
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westaust55
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PEBBLE hosted
Stan,
could not access your site just now but if it is the DIP icon on the menu at the left that is showing as just a red dot then you may not have the image "dip8_1.gif" in the images directory.
Stan,
could not access your site just now but if it is the DIP icon on the menu at the left that is showing as just a red dot then you may not have the image "dip8_1.gif" in the images directory.
SilentScreamer
Senior Member
Good to see its all been fixed 
), it was the case of the extensions that caused the problem.
They were all there (checked and fortunately didn't get a 403 forbidden error
), it was the case of the extensions that caused the problem.PEBBLE-V1a.html
Hi, Westaust55 thank you for the great work you are putting in to this project, I notice that when moving the picaxe to a different location the picaxe type dose not move with it that’s with this last update pebble-v1a it was ok before that, thanks again.
Ted.
Edit …closed the program and reopened and it works ok now sorry
Hi, Westaust55 thank you for the great work you are putting in to this project, I notice that when moving the picaxe to a different location the picaxe type dose not move with it that’s with this last update pebble-v1a it was ok before that, thanks again.
Ted.
Edit …closed the program and reopened and it works ok now sorry
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westaust55
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PEBBLE V2 is approaching
Over my lunchbreak today found the elusive typo in a javascript file that was preventing re-loaded images in the “miscell” covering batteries, motors, LCD module etc from being placed in their original positions.
So now just a few more days creating more breadboard layouts for 44 and 50 row boards and I will upload a revision 2.0
As sought by Stan/manuka, I have incorporated a second version of the PICAXE 08M as a “Schools 08M” variant with black body and simpler pin identification, while retaining the previous dark grey chip version with “IOx” pin markings. Additionally included an outline around the groups of 5 holes on the kiwi-patch board version of the breadboard.
The kiwi-patch board also incorporates some additional components such as voltage regulator and terminals so will likely create a better version still in the next couple of days.
Over my lunchbreak today found the elusive typo in a javascript file that was preventing re-loaded images in the “miscell” covering batteries, motors, LCD module etc from being placed in their original positions.
So now just a few more days creating more breadboard layouts for 44 and 50 row boards and I will upload a revision 2.0
As sought by Stan/manuka, I have incorporated a second version of the PICAXE 08M as a “Schools 08M” variant with black body and simpler pin identification, while retaining the previous dark grey chip version with “IOx” pin markings. Additionally included an outline around the groups of 5 holes on the kiwi-patch board version of the breadboard.
The kiwi-patch board also incorporates some additional components such as voltage regulator and terminals so will likely create a better version still in the next couple of days.
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GreenLeader
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Hi Westy,
I really like this tool, I'm itching to use it but I'm
waiting for the latest version with more breadboard choices. Got a circuit that's rearing to go...
Could PEBBLE be developed to include Vero boards?
I really like this tool, I'm itching to use it but I'm
waiting for the latest version with more breadboard choices. Got a circuit that's rearing to go...
Could PEBBLE be developed to include Vero boards?
Hmm - Pebble is very close to a vero board if you got a drill and drilled a gap all the way down the middle.
Like GreenLeader, I'm looking forward to all the new goodies on the latest version.
Not so sure about the "aged yellow" look - that was a bit of a joke earlier. I like shiny white. It is the colour I'd like to think my breadboards are - or at least the colour I see them as even when the evidence before me says otherwise!
Like GreenLeader, I'm looking forward to all the new goodies on the latest version.
Not so sure about the "aged yellow" look - that was a bit of a joke earlier. I like shiny white. It is the colour I'd like to think my breadboards are - or at least the colour I see them as even when the evidence before me says otherwise!
SilentScreamer
Senior Member
That has actually been my main use for it up to yet, if it could be added it would be great as the centre gap makes layouts difficult.
Tarah- WestAust55's blistering development talents have just PEBBLEd a full Kiwi Patch Board. These nifty boards are now being handled by MicroZed (the Aus. PICAXE agents), & assorted semi prof. projects may soon evolve based upon them. You naturally don't have to use the provided regulator or download socket- just trim the board to suit if required!
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Hosted on behalf of WestAust55 - a little something for the weekend- PEBBLE2 online => www.picaxe.orcon.net.nz/pebble2 . Feedback appreciated.
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Andrew Cowan
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Very nice!
The only problem I can see is that I can't see the white wire of the servo when it is ontop of the white breadboard. Maybe use hitec colouring? (Y,R,B). Similar problem with the parallel LCD display.
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The only problem I can see is that I can't see the white wire of the servo when it is ontop of the white breadboard. Maybe use hitec colouring? (Y,R,B). Similar problem with the parallel LCD display.
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Andrew Cowan
Senior Member
Also, none of the 'terminal' pictures show when the first option is selected.
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A
Hi,
One thing I would like to be available is a trimpot or differents kind of trimpots.
Is it possible to draw wanted element and include them in our copy? Like the one in the picture. Would it be possible for me to include it and use it in my designs?
Keep the good work! It is very nice!
Thanks!
Alain
One thing I would like to be available is a trimpot or differents kind of trimpots.
Is it possible to draw wanted element and include them in our copy? Like the one in the picture. Would it be possible for me to include it and use it in my designs?
Keep the good work! It is very nice!
Thanks!
Alain
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SilentScreamer
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If there is a component you don't use then just replace the image, making sure the connections are in the same place and it is the same size.
If you want to define a new component then you will probably need to modify the actual JavaScript/CSS.
Have a play inside, you can always re-download it if it breaks.
If you want to define a new component then you will probably need to modify the actual JavaScript/CSS.
Have a play inside, you can always re-download it if it breaks.
Andrew Cowan
Senior Member
Or if you want to add something really weirdly shaped (high-current-toroidal-axial-thingimy), you can just add it using a graphics program like paint.
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A
Hi,
I went to an online GIF editor to make the background of my drawing transparent and changed the file PICAXE08_1.gif for this file.
It is working nicely as a patch while waiting for more nice parts from the author.
But if is was possible to make custom parts design easily, without having to disturb what is already very well done, it would be better.
Thanks!
Alain
I went to an online GIF editor to make the background of my drawing transparent and changed the file PICAXE08_1.gif for this file.
It is working nicely as a patch while waiting for more nice parts from the author.
But if is was possible to make custom parts design easily, without having to disturb what is already very well done, it would be better.
Thanks!
Alain
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Very nice Westaust55
Could you please make images of the following?
CR2032 3V Button Cell in its holder for on board placement to go with DS1307
(I solder a length of three header pins to each connector of the cell holder to firmly place in breadboard. Only the center ones make the connections.)
3x4/4x4 Keypads for off board placement
16pin input LCD with backlight
Thank you for all the effort you’ve put in.
Could you please make images of the following?
CR2032 3V Button Cell in its holder for on board placement to go with DS1307
(I solder a length of three header pins to each connector of the cell holder to firmly place in breadboard. Only the center ones make the connections.)
3x4/4x4 Keypads for off board placement
16pin input LCD with backlight
Thank you for all the effort you’ve put in.
PEBBLE guru WestAust55 reports exceedingly slow access & image downloads of his darling from my trial NZ hosting site => www.picaxe.ocon.net.nz/pebble2 His woes could be ISP related, as frequent "lockouts" to even this PICAXE Forum have taunted him recently- a reason for my relaying.
How has PEBBLE2 access been for others ? Here in NZ on "whatever" broadband/WiFi it's (predictably) near instantaneous. Stan.
How has PEBBLE2 access been for others ? Here in NZ on "whatever" broadband/WiFi it's (predictably) near instantaneous. Stan.
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Duh- my typo (& abrev. URL) doesn't help. Try => www.picaxe.orconhosting.net.nz/pebble2
@ Manuka ...
The link previously worked for me ( haven't tested since ) but I too noted long(ish) load times. I assumed it was ISP bandwidth limitations, a narrow broadband pipe somewhere en route.
@ AlainB ...
Making PEBBLE user extensible means having to currently run a local copy of the JavaScript application which has to be edited. With a single "database.js" which defines all GIF components, orientation etc which the rest of PEBBLE uses will minimise the number of edits needed to hopefully just adding a new line.
There are means for JavaScript to load a database from local disk but that used to involve ActiveX etc so generally limited to IE and Windows but might have changed, or the database can be loaded from the server. Both mean making PEBBLE able to use a database and providing a means to upload new GIF and device definitions if server-based.
There are four main ways to provide application functionality; a native executable, server side executables accessed through a browser, via a plug-in hosted in a browser ( Java, Flash ) and via scripting within the browser ( JavaScript ). Each has its own advantages and limitations.
The link previously worked for me ( haven't tested since ) but I too noted long(ish) load times. I assumed it was ISP bandwidth limitations, a narrow broadband pipe somewhere en route.
@ AlainB ...
Making PEBBLE user extensible means having to currently run a local copy of the JavaScript application which has to be edited. With a single "database.js" which defines all GIF components, orientation etc which the rest of PEBBLE uses will minimise the number of edits needed to hopefully just adding a new line.
There are means for JavaScript to load a database from local disk but that used to involve ActiveX etc so generally limited to IE and Windows but might have changed, or the database can be loaded from the server. Both mean making PEBBLE able to use a database and providing a means to upload new GIF and device definitions if server-based.
There are four main ways to provide application functionality; a native executable, server side executables accessed through a browser, via a plug-in hosted in a browser ( Java, Flash ) and via scripting within the browser ( JavaScript ). Each has its own advantages and limitations.
WA55's intention eventually of course is for PEBBLE to be just downloaded & used locally.
We've hosted it however both for folks to give it an "drag & drop" online whirl,l & also report bugs/ add to their feature wish list. The online JS issues shouldn't be a problem with local offline browser access.
We've hosted it however both for folks to give it an "drag & drop" online whirl,l & also report bugs/ add to their feature wish list. The online JS issues shouldn't be a problem with local offline browser access.
It takes about a minute from here in Australia. The screen stays blank for the first 20 seconds, and I'd have given up except that my download activity meter was showing lots of activity. After 20 secs the board comes up and then the components start appearing.
Much more convenient than running it locally as it is a "one click" operation. But a little slow as others have also reported. Maybe some sort of message that comes up right at the beginning just to say "please wait"? Or maybe start by loading a small component gif first rather than the board, so the user can see something is happening?
Boy is it fun to play with though! I am amazed and very impressed with this tool.
Much more convenient than running it locally as it is a "one click" operation. But a little slow as others have also reported. Maybe some sort of message that comes up right at the beginning just to say "please wait"? Or maybe start by loading a small component gif first rather than the board, so the user can see something is happening?
Boy is it fun to play with though! I am amazed and very impressed with this tool.
Andrew Cowan
Senior Member
59 seconds in total.
Everything apart from the resistor and wires has appeared by 22 seconds.
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Everything apart from the resistor and wires has appeared by 22 seconds.
A
Dr_A: Very good idea- a quick "loading" message & graphic now added (both subsequently become buried under BBs).
See => www.picaxe.orconhosting.net.nz/pebble2
Slurp: Great - can we look at this when the numerous tweaks are attended to?
Dippy: You Brits will live on the other side of the world ! Stan
See => www.picaxe.orconhosting.net.nz/pebble2
Slurp: Great - can we look at this when the numerous tweaks are attended to?
Dippy: You Brits will live on the other side of the world ! Stan
westaust55
Moderator
PEBBLE V2 released and new wish list building
I can only seemingly only access the PICAXE forum through work (again) at the moment.
As I see it, the current wish list is for:
1. 1 hole resistors,
2. 1 hole diodes
3. Trim pot. Horizontal/flat example given but could also do a vertical multi-turn version
4. CR2032 3V battery in holder
5. keypads in 3x4 and 4x4 format
6. LCD – 16 pin – note that there is already a 14 pin version –just no backlight
7. White wire against white board issue – I will make the wire colour a light cream rather than have an “aged” breadboard look for contrast.
8 White LED's
I can only seemingly only access the PICAXE forum through work (again) at the moment.
As I see it, the current wish list is for:
1. 1 hole resistors,
2. 1 hole diodes
3. Trim pot. Horizontal/flat example given but could also do a vertical multi-turn version
4. CR2032 3V battery in holder
5. keypads in 3x4 and 4x4 format
6. LCD – 16 pin – note that there is already a 14 pin version –just no backlight
7. White wire against white board issue – I will make the wire colour a light cream rather than have an “aged” breadboard look for contrast.
8 White LED's
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SilentScreamer
Senior Member
I can get the domain www.picaxe-pebble.co.cc (the link doesn't work) perhaps then have a list of available servers and there locations, I too could host and my server is in the US. Let me know if your interested.
EDIT: I would like fewer wires on the side to clear some space, though its not a big thing. Thanks for all the work you've put in.
EDIT: I would like fewer wires on the side to clear some space, though its not a big thing. Thanks for all the work you've put in.
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