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lord55

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i dont know if this subject is related to the forum or not ........

I’m confused I don’t know where life is taken me I’m broke and I don’t have a job I like microcontrollers it’s the only subject that I liked when I was studying at the university so I wanted to get a job that involve microcontrollers but there is no electronic industry on my country, all the jobs that related to my qualification is in IT which is Cisco or servers or other similar bulshit....

where can I find a place to design hardware and software as a project like making DVB,robots,audio systems, video cameras, game console, etc just like Sony ,Philips, sharp, Toshiba etc... I’m not professional in embedded systems but I love them very much ,

is it really difficult to me to join one of these companies?

Is programming with C and assembly a must?

I’m able to travel to another country just to get the job I like but I don’t think those people will bother of me because I’m not a citizen also I’m not professional and I don’t have any experience I’m just a poor recent graduate boy.

Does anybody know about how to join electronics companies? Does anybody work or worked with electronics manufacturer how the process of employment was?

What do I need to get there (regarding qualification,knowledge skills etc) ?
Is the job as I think "designing, making prototypes, testing, monitoring manufacturing process” or it’s another story?

Am I dreaming too much ?

sorry for my long story
 
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Andrew Cowan

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I think that knowing C is pretty important in 'the industry' - all of the electronics couces at Uni I have looked at have it as a core components (I'm a couple of years behind!).

You say there is little industry in your country - where are you from? There are still plenty of companies (not in china/japan) doing electronics R&D - you just need to find them.
 
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Dippy

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Phew! Sounds like you are dissapointed. And, no it's nothing to do with this Forum.
However, people from around the world may choose to give advice - as this is a jolly nice place :)

Number One: When writing your CV space out your writing.
One big long paragraph, with little punctuation, is just SO difficult to read.

Teach yourself C.
Assembler will be extra brownie points but not a priority.

Life is tough. Try for a job in any company to get something on your CV and some money in the Bank.
The last thing a prospective Employer wishes to see is Gratuated 2009 and unemployed for 5 years.
I don't know which country you come from and I can't be bothered to search on your IP, but certainly here in the UK it's a limp industry. Only specialist/niche stuff nowadays.

You want to design Toys? You and a million other graduates I daresay...

Or you could start your own Company?

Some people I know work for Defence and they needed good degrees plus at least 5 years in electronics/engineering related industry before being considered - as well as a clean history.

Sorry, can't help. Life's a Bitch, but you have to keep trying - preferably on more Industrial/Networky places than this Forum. And try to keep a positive attitude.

Have you registered with job Agencies? How hard have you really tried? (Looking in the Jobcentre window doesn't count).
So, I wish you the very best of luck and don't give up - keep at it.

Bahrain?
 
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BeanieBots

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If you want to 'design' then a degree is a minimum and most will require experience and proven track record.
So how can you start?

Test is a good starting place. Try to find a large organisation that is expanding. They will need testers. You will start by using existing equipment and just following a procedure but after a while, you could get involved in the design of new test rigs. From there it might be possible to work your way into design but without a degree, many companies simply won't consider it even if you and can demonstrate that you have the required knowledge.

The process you describe depends on the 'product'.
One of the key steps you left out is legislation.
Before you can even consider any design, you will need to know the legislation of the country of sale. You will need to know about certification, post sale disposal requirements etc etc.
As an electronics designer, you can count yourself lucky if the job involves more than 10% electronics design. The rest is paperwork:mad:

Which country are you from?
 
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lord55

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i have a Bachelor in computer engineering but im thinking to get a master in embbeded system i dont know if this will help me to stand out

i learned c++ and java at university but just for desktop application. i think i will learn C for microcontrollers

but there is no job for this field in my country at all . i think i have to do my company as dippy said
 
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lord55

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:eek: thaxx BeanieBots i feel that im missing alot ...
i will apply to these companies thxx
 
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manuka

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The post grad. reality of ones studies can indeed be cruel, & it's easy to get cynical about "Get a degree with us & start on US$50k" hype common in far too many ivory tower tertiary institutes. Here in NZ one of my top 2005 students in much this field (& who was feed this same nonsense), took 6 months to land a job- as a trainee auditor! As the firm said "Your background shows you can get on top of complicated information". He's still with them, & is enjoying the career (& now serious money!)

That was in booming 2005 -in tough 2009 many recent grads in competitive fields find they have to do intern work for free, just to get an established track record. Even finding places happy to support interns may mean pounding the streets & ESPECIALLY going to numerous trade shows,free presentations & "industry watering holes". Many of the best openings are never advertised, but heard about word of mouth. In some cultures & callings, the school you went to, or even just your surname (any Kennedys in Boston reading?) may get your foot in the door...

If indeed you're based in oil & gas rich Bahrain, then a large part of your problem no doubt relates to tech. openings being in nearby countries with far lower costs & incomes. The kind of hi-tech work you're looking at is costed out at ~US$1-2 an hour in China & India, & even here in NZ overheads for off shore work are far lower than UK costs...

Footnote: If you're job hunting it's STRONGLY recommended that FACTS be provided - age, country, skills, circumstances, background etc were all missing from your initial post. FWIW many countries (including NZ) strictly limit immigration to skills they are really after. Forget embedded micro openings locally, as it's experienced bus drivers & early child care workers that are in short supply here at present! Stan.
 
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manuka

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LF: Argh- agreed! In spite of NZ's high racial diversity & multiculturalism, best you don't get me also started on "baggage" issues many imports may bring with them. The celebrated "Kiwi #8 wire mentality" further expects extensive mental AND hands on skills at all levels of course. Stan. (ex a Sth Island farm)

Dippy: You should try wiring breadboards with this!
 

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BeanieBots

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Stan, that's the second time recently I've heard reference to "Kiwi #8 wire".
Care to explain for those of us that aren't 'in the know'?
 
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MartinM57

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A quick Google...

<<Kiwis are famous for their ingenuity and self-sufficiency. It is said that Kiwis can create amazing things &#8212; all they need is &#8216;a piece of Number 8 wire&#8217;. No 8 wire is a certain gauge of wire that was incredibly popular for fencing around New Zealand&#8217;s many farms. Ironically, until 1963, it was imported from other countries. Because No. 8 wire was widely available, it was used for a variety of tasks, and it has become a symbol of kiwi adaptability>>
 
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Dippy

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Has Stan developed a breadboard that can accept No.8 wire yet?

Maybe just bend it around a bit and it saves borrowing kitchen utensils for antenna reflectors.
 
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BeanieBots

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Never dawned on me to use Google in an attempt finding some "hidden meaning" behind a wire gauge. Inspired by Martin, I tried and found a whole host of references to the Kiwis. Wonders of the internet!
 
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Brietech

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I'm a relatively recent grad (in the US), with a degree in EE, and I actually work doing electronics design (ASIC design, specifically). It's basically difficult to get a job anywhere right now, but assuming that actually changes, the majority of design work is probably in the USA, Japan, India, China, and Taiwan (am I missing anywhere?). I'm not sure what immigration issues are like for any of these.

In terms of getting your 'foot in the door,' by far the best way is through internships while you are in school. For the USA, at least, reasonable command of the english language (and punctuation) is a must. Failing that, a good way to gain experience is just by working on your own. Microcontrollers themselves are quite cheap (i.e. things like the Picaxe line), and there are virtually an unlimited number of interesting applications for them. Creating and documenting your own sophisticated projects can show that you have practical knowledge of electronics, while give you something to 'pad' your CV with until you get real job experience.
 
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